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[00:01:18] My name is Anna Silk. For six seasons, I played Bo on the hit TV series, Lost Girl.
[00:01:39] And my name is Rachel Skarsten. For three seasons, I played Tamsen.
[00:01:44] Welcome to the Lost Girl Rewatch Podcast. A show where we will look at all the episodes,
[00:01:49] share some behind-the-scenes stories, and chat with some very special guests.
[00:01:54] On the show, our relationship was sometimes rocky. But in life, our friendship is rock solid.
[00:02:02] We are so glad you are here to join us this trip down memory lane.
[00:02:07] We love that the family is back together again. This podcast episode eight,
[00:02:16] where we're going to be discussing episodes 15 and 16 of season two.
[00:02:21] Thank you. We are so excited, Rachel, right? So excited. So excited because we feel like we
[00:02:30] struck gold with our guests today because there's so much we can talk about with her.
[00:02:36] And I know fans are going to be super excited. Do you want to tell everyone who's here?
[00:02:40] Kat Burrell. Welcome, Kat. Hello.
[00:02:47] Hello. This is so fun, guys. I'm so glad we're doing this.
[00:02:51] I know. We feel like we were just saying before, we feel very lucky to have you.
[00:02:57] A pleasure. It's such a pleasure. We're very lucky to be invited.
[00:03:01] And we're just going to address what I'm sure most every fan listening because there's so much
[00:03:07] crossover between our two shows of Lost Girl and Winona Earp. So what everyone is wanting
[00:03:14] us to ask, you just got back from Calgary. Yes. Oh my gosh. OK, so can you tell us anything
[00:03:22] about it? What can I do? I mean, you know, it was funny. I really was concerned about going
[00:03:30] back and playing a character that's been almost two and a half years or has been two
[00:03:35] and a half years. And I really was like, I kind of need like a rehearsal. I don't know
[00:03:40] how to get back into the skin of this person. And it came back so quickly. It felt like we
[00:03:45] never left. It was really weird. It really felt and I think too, because we see each other at
[00:03:51] cons and we have such a great relationship and we maintain our friendships. We are genuinely
[00:04:00] really good friends outside of Earp. So it didn't feel like we hadn't talked to each
[00:04:04] other in two and a half years because we talk all the time, but it felt really like we hadn't
[00:04:10] left. It felt like we had gone for a two week hiatus, which was so cool. It was great. It was
[00:04:16] so great. Like I can't believe we got to do it again. What a gift. I know. Did you know,
[00:04:21] like how long have you known? Can you say that? How long you've known? I mean,
[00:04:26] I mean, Emily and like the story got greenlit.
[00:04:32] So like Emily had to pitch obviously the whole story and they had to approve it before we got
[00:04:38] the official green light to go ahead. And then how long have I known? I mean, so they kind of
[00:04:45] softly asked, gauged like interest and availability maybe in the September. It's such a
[00:04:52] blur. Maybe September and like, what are we now? March. And then we didn't get an official
[00:04:59] contract until late November, early December, I don't think. Wow. Yeah. I know that's fast.
[00:05:06] Yeah. So pretty fast. But I know like Emily had been working on it and developing the story and
[00:05:10] I'm pretty sure she opened the writer's room for a couple of days and brought some of her
[00:05:14] writers back just to kind of go through the story. She did the writing, but I think she
[00:05:19] brought some of the writers back just to sort of have a sounding board of.
[00:05:23] Well, I actually have a question though, because so people are always saying,
[00:05:28] are you going to do a Lost Girl movie? And I was thinking, well, all of our sets and
[00:05:35] none of that is there anymore. I imagine none of, I mean, I've been on your sets,
[00:05:39] Anna's been on your set. They were great. But did that, like, was that all in storage? Did
[00:05:44] it come back? How does that work? No, we got rid of a lot. We had like an auction,
[00:05:52] so it was like, oh, I guess we're done. We were like calling people. Well,
[00:05:57] we did have an amazing fan that we did have fans reach out and were like, do you want this
[00:06:01] back? Do you want it? Oh my God, that's very sweet. Of course they did because they're so
[00:06:05] amazing. Like, do you want the truck back? Because the truck is like, I think this fan
[00:06:12] lives in the southern United States. The truck is far away. But we know, so what we ended up doing,
[00:06:19] which was a bit challenging was that a lot of the, I feel like Anna, you might have shot,
[00:06:25] did you shoot on the homestead? Yes, I did. Yeah, you did. Yeah. So we used the exterior.
[00:06:33] We usually use that, but we, and this interior was in the studio. They built the interior
[00:06:38] inside that set, which was basically like just pieces of wood. There's no insulation or anything.
[00:06:48] I was going to say it must have been freezing. It was freezing. So we were like in your clothes
[00:06:52] and you could see your breath. The Chinooks everyone talks about. They're like, don't worry.
[00:07:01] What's a Chinook? For three hours it'll be warmer. But yeah, it's not wind that comes
[00:07:06] through. It's supposed to make it tropical for like five seconds, but just gives you a massive
[00:07:12] migraine. I can't believe I've never heard that of a Chinook. I thought it was like a brand of
[00:07:21] jacket. I can't believe no one sold you that line when you went there. No, it was freezing.
[00:07:25] I remember not being able to feel my feet. Like walking and being like, I can't feel my
[00:07:30] feet. But it's beautiful when you see it on camera. It is beautiful. Yeah, it is stunning.
[00:07:36] It looks so awkward. I know. All right. Well, we'll bring it back to Lost Girl now.
[00:07:41] Yeah. I mean, it's so exciting to hear that though. And one of our executive producers,
[00:07:47] Rachel Paul Rupovsky, he saved a lot of our sets. Did you know that?
[00:07:53] On Lost Girl? No, I didn't. He saved them. Yeah. He saved the whole doll, Rihanna.
[00:07:56] I don't know where they are now, but he saved them for years and years and years. So who knows?
[00:08:03] Who knows? But it's so cool that you got to do that. And it's so interesting to hear you say
[00:08:09] about... I mean, I know you and the cast are all really good friends still, and that's the
[00:08:14] same as Lost Girl. And I have to wonder like, I mean, not even wonder. It has to be said
[00:08:21] that I think part of the reason those shows bonded all of us is the fan base.
[00:08:26] Oh, yeah. Right? Because we come together to reach out to fans who are watching,
[00:08:32] and it kind of solidifies this family. Because it's the same with us.
[00:08:38] It keeps you seeing one another all the time because not everyone lives in the same city.
[00:08:43] Yeah. And you get to go to these comic cons together and you make more memories.
[00:08:48] And so like you said, it's sort of in a way like the shows never end.
[00:08:53] Yeah. I mean, you have to like each other to start. We all like to show it.
[00:08:57] Yeah. You can't hate each other.
[00:08:59] Showing it to your friends is a nightmare.
[00:09:03] But yeah. Yeah. I think that's a really good point, Anna. Completely. I think going to
[00:09:09] the cons is what keeps you in touch because as you said, Rachel, we don't live in the same
[00:09:14] cities and we're all going off and working on different things and have lives and families and
[00:09:19] are busy. But when you get to go and go on vacation essentially kind of with your friends
[00:09:26] for these long weekends, these crazy places. I mean, how many people do you get to have those
[00:09:30] weird memories of like amazing restaurants and like this city? That's crazy. We're so lucky.
[00:09:37] I know. I've been to Australia with you. I haven't been to Australia with my husband.
[00:09:42] I know.
[00:09:44] And one of my favorite dinners actually, Kat, was with you and a big group of women at that big
[00:09:50] round table in some restaurant somewhere. I forget where we were. I don't know. But do
[00:09:56] you remember? It was across the street from our hotel and it was this big round table. So we
[00:10:01] all got to like see each other. Zoe was there. You were there. Tamara was there.
[00:10:06] It was this big somewhere.
[00:10:08] Yes, it was.
[00:10:09] It was like a big house or something.
[00:10:10] It was some kind of steakhouse. Yeah. But I just remember that dinner.
[00:10:15] Nice. It's also so nice to get to talk to other actors and...
[00:10:19] I know.
[00:10:19] Especially with self-tape and stuff.
[00:10:21] Oh, yeah.
[00:10:22] I feel like very sometimes disconnected.
[00:10:25] Totally. Totally isolated.
[00:10:27] You're like creating in this vacuum.
[00:10:30] Totally. 100%. This is exactly where I am right now. It's where I do all my tapes.
[00:10:36] Like a back. It goes here. Yes.
[00:10:39] This is my little...
[00:10:40] Yeah.
[00:10:40] Yeah.
[00:10:42] Actually, those are my lights right there.
[00:10:49] Yeah. It's created a different experience of the industry, I think for all of us. So
[00:10:55] getting to go to cons and all that kind of stuff is a gift. It really is. And I don't
[00:11:01] know if you've noticed this. We haven't done a Lost Girl con in a while because
[00:11:04] Lost Girl has been off the air long enough for us to make a rewatch podcast.
[00:11:08] How long has it been? I was trying to...
[00:11:11] So we started airing in 2010. That's 14 years ago.
[00:11:15] Wow. 14 years.
[00:11:16] Yeah. So we're into season two now on this podcast and so that would have been like...
[00:11:22] We finished in 2015, I think.
[00:11:24] Yes. Only because my second son was born in 2016. That's what I remember.
[00:11:30] So almost 10 years.
[00:11:31] You know what's really cool is to go to... Any cons I've gone to in the last couple of years,
[00:11:36] which has not been very many, but I am meeting fans of Lost Girl who are like 18.
[00:11:43] They just discovered it.
[00:11:45] That's so cool.
[00:11:46] It's this new wave of fans. So for them, it's so relevant and new. And
[00:11:53] it's been so crazy to rewatch the show because I haven't watched it in so long.
[00:11:58] I'm enjoying it so much, especially season two because I don't remember any of the story.
[00:12:03] So it's been fun to watch and it's timeless except for some of our flip phones.
[00:12:10] But that works. It's a weird show. So there could be flip phones. Why not?
[00:12:15] I hear flip phones are coming. I hear they're coming back.
[00:12:17] You know what? I just think the landlides...
[00:12:19] No, for real. People are too tired of always having all the apps and stuff and
[00:12:23] the flip phones are coming.
[00:12:24] Yeah. They just want... I just want a phone.
[00:12:28] I know.
[00:12:28] You can have a whole podcast like that, but it's... I hope. I just hope that
[00:12:34] once my kid is old enough to use social media, it doesn't exist anymore. That's all I'm hoping.
[00:12:38] You know what? I'm going to send you guys a really good podcast about phones
[00:12:43] and how it has changed childhood. And it was the iPhone 4 apparently that changed it
[00:12:47] because that's when you got a front-facing camera. And that's what changed everything.
[00:12:51] I really feel like Snake changed the game for me.
[00:12:55] What is that?
[00:12:55] What? Snake?
[00:12:57] The game Snake on your phone?
[00:13:01] I don't know that.
[00:13:02] You know, it was like a little thing and it went beep, beep, beep, beep. And you had to eat
[00:13:05] the little dot and then you couldn't touch any part of your snake body.
[00:13:09] It's like Pac-Man, but the chain of danger gets longer.
[00:13:15] God, I don't know that game. I probably still had my flip phone because when I started
[00:13:21] Lost Girl, I had the hot pink Razor phone.
[00:13:29] No, I don't do that. I can't access that stuff. It's not that I don't do it because I
[00:13:36] literally can't do it. I'd rather play Exynos on paper. That's how archaic I am.
[00:13:41] That is actually true about you.
[00:13:43] Yeah. But Kat, Table for Faye was the name of your episode.
[00:13:52] It was directed by David Green. I don't know if you remember that. David Green was our DP.
[00:13:57] So you might not remember. But we want to hear, of course. So this is what I want to know.
[00:14:02] I want to know your audition story, if you remember it. I want to know where you were at
[00:14:06] in your life, in your career, whatever was going on when you did Lost Girl. And I want
[00:14:10] to know your memories or experiences, which may be a second long because it's so long ago.
[00:14:17] But it's so crazy to watch you in this episode.
[00:14:20] So crazy. I'm like an infant.
[00:14:23] I know. And I love that as an infant, you're going to a clinic to get more youthful.
[00:14:27] It's like youthfulness.
[00:14:28] I was watching her say that.
[00:14:29] I know. I've never heard this.
[00:14:32] Yeah. We were very, very... Gosh.
[00:14:36] I just have to say, I just want to say one thing. Look who's calling me.
[00:14:40] David Green.
[00:14:42] No.
[00:14:43] I'm not going to answer right now, obviously. But isn't that crazy?
[00:14:46] Crazy.
[00:14:47] He and I are still very good friends. So that's really weird.
[00:14:52] Oh my God. What do I remember? I think it was one of my first jobs at a theater school.
[00:14:58] Wow.
[00:14:58] For sure. So I had absolutely no idea what I was doing. I remember...
[00:15:04] Okay. Here are the few things that I foggyed up. I think I was only on Zappfruit.
[00:15:10] Two days. I looked like two scenes. I remember...
[00:15:18] This is one of the most ridiculous things to remember. I remember being in my wardrobe fitting
[00:15:23] and they put me in these very distressed ripped jeans because I was this hitchhiker.
[00:15:28] I was supposed to be very bohemian. And I remember looking at the price tag and they
[00:15:31] were like $400. Why is this going to probably make them? But I guess because they had to
[00:15:38] duplicate them for the other woman who I ended up morphing into.
[00:15:43] But I remember being like, wow, these guys have a lot of money.
[00:15:49] I still think $400 is a lot of money for jeans.
[00:15:52] It's a lot of money for jeans.
[00:15:55] It is crazy the budget for wardrobe sometimes. It's crazy what...
[00:16:01] I don't think I've ever worn a pair of $400 jeans in anything I've ever done.
[00:16:06] If I bought $400 jeans, I would never wear them because I'd be like,
[00:16:10] I can't wear those. Those are my $400 jeans. I have to save them for my $400 day.
[00:16:17] No. I'm like, guys, if you can get Madewells, amazing. If you're on a budget,
[00:16:22] go to American Eagle. These fit well too. I have my two brands and I'm like,
[00:16:26] this is what I'm looking for. And what else? And I remember you being very,
[00:16:34] very nice to me. I distinctly remember that because I was so nervous.
[00:16:39] Oh, I'm so glad. I'm glad you remember that.
[00:16:41] It was so nice and genuine and gentle. You didn't make me feel like...
[00:16:49] You know how sometimes you watch leads and they make day players feel like...
[00:16:56] Day players?
[00:16:56] ...just disposable?
[00:16:58] I have been there as a day player. I've had those experiences where you just feel
[00:17:03] horrendous. Yeah, me too.
[00:17:05] People are just like, oh great, thanks for coming next.
[00:17:10] You feel really welcome and like I actually existed. And I remember really appreciating that.
[00:17:17] I'm so glad you have that memory. I'm really glad. That was important to me.
[00:17:23] You did a great job.
[00:17:25] People brought so much to the show. Every single person that guest starred on that show
[00:17:30] went on to do amazing things and brought life to our shows every day though. Without them,
[00:17:40] there's no show. You had David Green directing you who is also such a gentle, sensitive soul.
[00:17:54] So he would create an atmosphere on set for that episode and the crew knows him inside and out.
[00:18:02] You came onto a really good episode.
[00:18:05] It was good to know.
[00:18:06] Definitely.
[00:18:07] But it was great and it was very quick and that's kind of all I remember.
[00:18:14] Of course.
[00:18:15] That was one of the nine or so. That's great.
[00:18:18] I was like, oh for next season it's great because you're in all the episodes so you'll
[00:18:25] remember it. I'm like, will I? I remember every prank I played but I don't remember
[00:18:35] details.
[00:18:35] I remember in watching, I remember more about what was going on around me in real life
[00:18:40] more than I do story. I'm like, oh God, oh yeah that character. Oh yeah, we go here.
[00:18:45] We do this. Oh yeah, this person dies. I just can't remember that stuff.
[00:18:52] I have another question for you about audition stories.
[00:18:55] I'm curious about your Winona Earp audition story.
[00:18:58] Oh yeah. Did Emily, because you had obviously worked on Lost Girl,
[00:19:04] was there any connection with that?
[00:19:08] For a hot second I worked on Lost Girl.
[00:19:11] I don't know if you remember. No, my audition story for Earp is interesting because I
[00:19:17] actually auditioned for Winona and Waverly.
[00:19:20] Oh wow, yeah really?
[00:19:22] Both of them, yeah. I kept, it wasn't the right fit, but I don't know, Lisa was like a
[00:19:31] huge, Lisa's so amazing, but she was really supportive and really I think went to bat for
[00:19:37] me and we were trying to find. But the funny thing about my Winona Earp audition is that
[00:19:44] I never thought I would, it was one of the ones in What A Lesson where you get an audition
[00:19:48] and you're like, I'm never going to book this but sure, we'll give it a shot.
[00:19:53] That was my Nicole audition. I literally said to my husband the night before,
[00:19:58] I'm like, I'm never going to book this. I mean, I'll go sure and try.
[00:20:03] But I was much more, but it's also because I was in my very young ingenue Waverly phase
[00:20:09] and all through figure school, I was told that was the character I would always play.
[00:20:14] Right.
[00:20:14] So I think when I was like, well, they didn't cast me as Waverly and that's kind of my
[00:20:17] thing so I don't, how am I going to play this cop? It just doesn't make sense to me.
[00:20:23] I'm like an ingenue.
[00:20:25] And I've had that narrative for so long that I genuinely, I never thought I'd,
[00:20:33] in a billion years. Never ever thought.
[00:20:35] Isn't it funny how we're fed such crazy narratives when you're young? I mean,
[00:20:41] for Lost Girl, by the time I got that audition, it was the same thing. I went,
[00:20:46] I'm not right for this. I can't do that. I'll do what I see. But I don't do that
[00:20:54] because that's not what I am. And then I got the part. I mean, but I think because sometimes you
[00:21:01] bring something else to it because you're like, I don't see myself as the vixen sex pot.
[00:21:09] And I was never, I was always told that's not what you are.
[00:21:12] And isn't it interesting is probably because you didn't lean into that and everyone you
[00:21:16] were with did that actually made you special.
[00:21:19] I wonder if actors coming up now, particularly females, are still, I mean, I guess they're fed
[00:21:28] different things through social media, like different definitions of who we are.
[00:21:32] Like it's so hard not to let other people define you.
[00:21:34] Even onto actors. I think everyone.
[00:21:37] Yeah. It's so damaging. But it's so interesting that you were able to book the part and then
[00:21:46] have that experience to stretch your idea of what you could be, quote unquote.
[00:21:52] Yeah, absolutely. It made me think of myself. I mean, I still do play a lot of that part.
[00:21:57] Don't get me wrong. I still do. I work a lot for Hallmark and live in that land a lot.
[00:22:01] But what a nice balance it is to play something. So I don't know. I play a lot
[00:22:06] of the lovers. Like Nicole is still very much like come into my arms and be cozy and warm
[00:22:12] lover. And I love playing in that zone. But so they're all lovers.
[00:22:19] That is natural to you though. I always feel that way when I'm around you.
[00:22:24] You always make me feel like we're better friends than the time we've spent would justify.
[00:22:33] Does that make sense?
[00:22:34] That's very sweet. Yeah, that's very sweet. Thank you for saying that, Rachel.
[00:22:37] True. It's true. It's very true.
[00:22:45] Our next question.
[00:22:46] My next question is about, I mean, I wrote this question down and then I was like,
[00:22:52] I mean, I can probably answer it as well because but how has the show and the fan base
[00:22:58] influenced your life? What on earth, not Lost Girl. How did the episode of Lost Girl you
[00:23:03] did? They do cross over a lot.
[00:23:05] Oh, they cross over a ton. I mean, it was so crazy. And also, Rachel and I need to talk
[00:23:10] about the fact that we both guest starred on your show. We both came onto Winona Earp and
[00:23:16] then that enabled us to go to some Earp conventions which was so interesting for me
[00:23:21] because I would meet, I mean, there's so much crossover but then I'd meet people who'd be
[00:23:27] like, I love Winona Earp. I've never watched Lost Girl. I'm going to watch Lost Girl.
[00:23:31] I'm thinking, this is so weird. It's just an interesting thing. And then I'm like,
[00:23:36] oh yeah, you should watch. I thought it was like someone made a mistake when they invited me
[00:23:47] I was in one episode. I feel like an imposter.
[00:23:52] The crossover. Yes. Yeah.
[00:23:56] Yeah. So anyway, we asked you a question and then
[00:24:01] I mean, how has it changed my life? Like, oh God, where do I even?
[00:24:08] Okay. So I mean, from a work perspective, just to have been on a show that is
[00:24:16] popular by a large part because of the fan base and because of how active they are and
[00:24:22] how supportive they are and that has allowed us to shoot more and more and like actually
[00:24:28] be a working actor. So just like nuts and bolts, that. I think also I could have gotten
[00:24:37] my whole career without having any connection to people who actually enjoyed the work.
[00:24:43] I guess we created this vacuum. That's the crazy part. Yeah.
[00:24:46] Yeah. And you can easily go an entire... Most people go their entire acting careers,
[00:24:50] never really getting feedback. Can you imagine if you opened a store and you never met a customer?
[00:24:56] No, it feels all like output. It's like output, output, output, but we have this energy that goes
[00:25:03] back and forth. Exactly. And that energy, like you said, that feeding is so invigorating
[00:25:11] and it's like sustenance. I mean, it just kind of keeps you going because you have a
[00:25:16] touchstone for... I think sometimes acting can... I've had the moments where I'm like,
[00:25:22] is what I do for a living so ridiculous? Am I contributing anything valuable to the world?
[00:25:33] And the fans have affirmed a huge yes. Yes. And that's so validating as a person to make
[00:25:43] you feel like what you're doing matters and how much it matters to somebody and how...
[00:25:48] It's completely changed my mind on the value of storytelling and how important art is. And even
[00:25:54] over the pandemic, seeing that even more, like what did everybody do while we started watching
[00:25:59] movies? I couldn't agree more on that point because I think the first con I ever did...
[00:26:07] I mean, I knew we had fans, but then when I met people that would come to my table and
[00:26:12] then they would share their own story with me and trust me with that story. And I'd think,
[00:26:18] oh, this... You're not just a fan of the show. This matters to you. This means something. This
[00:26:23] has touched you. And so then it touches me and then it matters more to me. I'm like, oh,
[00:26:30] but don't you see yourself. I have shows like that that walked with me through times of my
[00:26:37] life that I'm so grateful for that were actors that I'm such a big fan of. I think I've told
[00:26:45] this story at cons a lot, but when I met Adam West because I loved Batman when I was a little
[00:26:50] girl and Adam West Batman would always be on reruns and I'd watch it and I go like,
[00:26:56] and then I met him and I blacked out. I blacked out. I don't know what I said.
[00:27:03] I remember saying to Holly after, for you guys listening, it's our mutual Comic-Con agent.
[00:27:10] I was like, Holly, was I weird? And she was the sweetest woman on the planet. She was like,
[00:27:17] no. That was so weird.
[00:27:23] Art inspires, right? So it's like, I've got two little boys, they're super into karate,
[00:27:29] et cetera, et cetera. And I will come into their room sometimes and they're just like,
[00:27:32] in there by themselves going like, they're acting something out. And they'll see something
[00:27:44] and decide this is what I'm going to do. I can do this. I can, you know, and that's what
[00:27:48] they should be. I'm like, be curious about all of it. My youngest wants to be a sumo
[00:27:53] wrestler at the moment. And I'm like, great, be curious about it. Go for it.
[00:27:58] And he's written a plan on his whiteboard and all this stuff. And he's like,
[00:28:03] it inspires people. And so I think, you know, the relationship, your central relationship
[00:28:11] on Wynonna Earp and the central relationship that I had on Lost Girl,
[00:28:16] people were able to see themselves in those relationships in a really honest way, even
[00:28:26] though it was in a fantastical world. Even though we're fighting monsters or whatever,
[00:28:32] there's an honesty in the relationship and it matters to people. And it's beautiful.
[00:28:38] I've gotten the most beautiful letters. I've gotten the most wonderful thoughtful gifts.
[00:28:43] It's, it will, that will never go away. When we're all like going to the con and our walkers,
[00:28:50] I don't know what that's going to look like. It will still matter to people, I hope,
[00:28:55] come out and see us. But it's true. And that's a really unique experience.
[00:29:01] Completely. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's really pretty beautiful.
[00:29:07] And being part of people's journeys, like we've had fans who have met each other and
[00:29:10] gotten married and- Yes. I think I was, I've been at a wedding that like Emily
[00:29:16] appreciated. That was one of the cons. I'm like, wow.
[00:29:19] Just like these shows are both such integral parts of like the weave of people's lives.
[00:29:28] And the cons are a huge part of that because it's an opportunity to meet.
[00:29:33] And they also just affirm for me our need for human connection, like to actually gather
[00:29:38] physically in a space, especially as our world becomes more and more digital.
[00:29:44] Gosh, I mean, the list goes on and on, but like you said, seeing people, having this be such a
[00:29:51] big part of other people's lives and mark clear markers in their journey. I have those clear
[00:29:56] markers too of like, this is when we were doing that season and this is when we were
[00:30:00] shooting this. And I think fans have that too. This is the year that I went to my first con.
[00:30:06] This is the year that I met up my partner on a chat room and then we, it's really cool.
[00:30:13] It's very cool to be a part of a community. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:30:20] You're a mom. Yes.
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[00:31:37] Yeah, I mean, for me, it's, I think it's shifted what like the parameters around which
[00:31:48] I'm willing to work. That's probably the biggest thing that I've noticed because in the past,
[00:31:55] I was like down to clown with whatever, like you want me to go to New Zealand for
[00:31:59] 10 months? I know. Do 24 hours a day. I was always in awe of that. Rachel would say yes.
[00:32:06] I'd be like, what do you, you say yes to everything and she's like, yeah, why wouldn't
[00:32:11] I? Yeah, why wouldn't you? Yes, I have never been to White Horse. Yes, I've never,
[00:32:20] I'd be like, wow. I'm on the bucket list though. No, but it was beautiful. Yeah, because
[00:32:28] I was living my life for me and having those adventures and stuff. But now the framing of
[00:32:35] my life has changed so drastically. This little human that I just want to be with and to
[00:32:44] nurture. And so of course, I always also need as a mother to nurture the artists within me and
[00:32:52] to create and to do things. Some of that is satisfied in being a mother because motherhood
[00:32:57] is very creative. You have to be very creative. But I can't just, it's not just me anymore.
[00:33:05] I can't just uproot my whole family in the same way that I could. And so I think,
[00:33:11] whereas before it was just about the adventure and the art, now it's also about
[00:33:18] the feasibility for other people. And does that work for them? Is that going to be good for them?
[00:33:27] Because I don't want to be apart from him and I want him to be happy. So that's probably
[00:33:35] the biggest change I'd say. Yeah.
[00:33:39] What about you Kat? Oh man, I mean that's a huge part of it. Just the parameters under which I
[00:33:45] can work have changed so much. I think, Rachel, do you remember in Australia when I told you
[00:33:55] that I thought I might be pregnant in the car? So I'm having baby in two months.
[00:34:03] Oh my God. What? Oh my God. I was dying to ask you, but who has experienced pregnancy loss?
[00:34:16] Thinking I was pregnant and not being pregnant. It's something that you never want to ask,
[00:34:21] but I was dying to ask. I should have told you. Yeah. So it's been a craze. I'm really in it.
[00:34:34] Did you manage to hold off and test when you got home?
[00:34:39] I'm not going to find out by myself in Australia. I wanted to wait to come home.
[00:34:43] I couldn't have waited. I don't think I could have waited either.
[00:34:50] But I had said to you, I had had a pregnancy loss. It's almost been a year. I was shooting
[00:34:57] away and I had a neck topic and I was on my way to get on the plane to go home after the shoot
[00:35:04] and I had this horrible pain. I was sitting with my director and she's like,
[00:35:09] you need to go to the hospital. So instead of getting on our flight, we got an ambulance and
[00:35:13] I had emergency surgery that night. Oh my God. So it's been like a, I feel like I've been
[00:35:18] pregnant forever because I was pregnant and then I wasn't for two months and then I got
[00:35:23] pregnant again. But I'm really thinking about this right now because I've just finished
[00:35:33] Malini, Mali Skrafana, who of course you guys know, just co-directed a movie in South Africa
[00:35:40] in December and we're just finishing up the post on it now. And then I'm sort of like
[00:35:45] taking a self-imposed bit of a mat leave. But it's, and I didn't do that with my first
[00:35:51] and I am thinking about... There's so many things. I'm now in a different place where
[00:35:58] I feel confident that I will work on the other side of it, but there's still this fear of like,
[00:36:03] you work contract work and what happens if you don't follow through on the momentum and then
[00:36:09] you're just... Yeah. If you get out of line, it feels like you're getting out of the line of,
[00:36:13] I mean, get out of line. I just mean like the line up. Yeah.
[00:36:18] When it's scary and... You also don't want to rob yourself of the preciousness of that time.
[00:36:28] So it's scary in both ways because you never know. I even feel with my son,
[00:36:34] like you never know what baby is going to be your last baby, what experience is going to be
[00:36:39] your last experience. And there's even things... Like I went back to work and I was still
[00:36:44] breastfeeding and I'm... I mean, I was still breastfeeding when I did the con with you.
[00:36:47] I'm in the room like pumping my boobs. I look back at it now and I'm like,
[00:36:52] I'm glad I did it and it's fine. Would I do it again? Probably not. And so I totally understand
[00:36:59] where you're coming from wanting to take that time. But I also remember in Australia,
[00:37:03] talking to you about even going to South Africa and how difficult that was
[00:37:07] in terms of the distance from your family. Oh my God. I was driving. It was very hard.
[00:37:12] I will not sugar coat it. I cried a lot. I was also very, very, very sick. This pregnancy
[00:37:19] has been really tough physically. I have like... Poor Melanie has cleaned up some nasty shit. Let
[00:37:27] me just tell you that. Oh. God bless her. That is a good friend. That is a very good friend.
[00:37:34] We are drama bonded to the max. So it was just like, it was a tough pregnancy. I was
[00:37:43] just very nauseous. And then I got narrow virus when I got there. So I had like a stomach flu
[00:37:50] on top of, which is like crazy. So I was on some intense drugs. But sorry, I'm losing so much.
[00:37:59] Oh, about working on the other side and taking time off.
[00:38:02] I'm taking some time off. So trusting. So I think changing my career, like you said,
[00:38:09] Rachel, you have to say no to things that before you'd be like, yeah, absolutely. I'll
[00:38:15] be there tomorrow. No problem. I said no to something for the first time, I think in my
[00:38:21] entire career last week. And it was painful. I was like, no. Did you hear me? No. It was
[00:38:38] really hard, but it just was not going to work with my son. And I was like, well, like, yeah,
[00:38:46] that's just the way that it's going to be. And how fortunate we are that you are in a
[00:38:52] position where you can say no. Like that's never lost on me when I can say no to things.
[00:38:59] But it's hard because I also love what I do as you too. And then, you know, it's
[00:39:06] and then the guilt and the being away and the inconsistency for your kids. And when you come
[00:39:11] back and you see their little face, like when I was in Calgary recently, my son would FaceTime
[00:39:16] and Ronan would say, mama, I need you. I was just like, oh, god.
[00:39:23] I was awful. It gets harder as they get older because now they can communicate with you on
[00:39:29] that. And it is like, oh my god. You know, we don't really totally understand you.
[00:39:36] You're trying to say like how much time he's like, I don't know. Three weeks is an eternity
[00:39:40] for me. What do you want for me? For sure. And it is just very, it's just very different.
[00:39:46] A lot of my friends who go back to work, they work nine to five jobs. So they're still
[00:39:51] home for bath time. When we go exactly, you're gone for three weeks. Or even if you're
[00:39:56] filming a job in your hometown, which is never, you're still gone. Or when I take my son,
[00:40:04] you know, with me, I still don't see him because I'm leaving before he wakes up and
[00:40:10] coming home after he goes to sleep. And it's really tough.
[00:40:14] Yeah. We guys balance the thing of like, so Ray and I, we did a homework movie in the fall
[00:40:21] and that's when I was really starting to feel my symptoms of my pregnancy.
[00:40:26] And we brought Ronan and Ray did like, he did, he think he shot five days on the movie and
[00:40:32] I was there for 16. And it was like hell because Ronan out of his routine, we all got sick.
[00:40:42] I was already sick. My parents came and we were living in the hotel. And you guys know
[00:40:49] the baby, toddler stage of life. You've got so much shit with you.
[00:40:53] Stop. I know all the stuff.
[00:40:56] Everywhere. It was a miracle we could close the car.
[00:41:02] I'm just like, this is so... And so you go, what is easier?
[00:41:09] Are they benefiting from coming with me and changing the whole routine and bringing
[00:41:15] them in? But like you said, Rachel, you barely see them. So unless like sometimes,
[00:41:21] Ray will bring him to set so I can see, but then it's like five seconds and I got to go
[00:41:24] and five seconds more and I don't know. I don't know what the hack is. I don't know
[00:41:29] if there is one. If you guys have figured it out, please let me know. But I can't figure
[00:41:35] out what's better. I can't. I think it changes as they change ages too.
[00:41:40] Anytime I've been away now, because my boys are eight and almost 11.
[00:41:45] I'm like, are you guys doing okay? They're like, yeah. We're having so much fun with
[00:41:51] dad. Are you brushing your teeth? You're brushing them twice a day. You got to brush
[00:41:54] them twice a day. Because they can be like, oh yeah, we forgot. You don't forget. But they
[00:42:00] have a great time. It's a different age. But I mean, Rachel knows this, but I had Sam at
[00:42:08] the height of filming Lost Girl. It was between season three and four. And I went back to season
[00:42:14] four when he was five weeks old. I mean, five weeks. I was not even healed from delivery.
[00:42:21] It was insane. First of all, we called her the milk marm because she just had these massive
[00:42:26] bitters. She was like between takes, she'd have to go and pump.
[00:42:30] As soon as the sound would get muffled, because my mic, as soon as it would get
[00:42:35] muffled, and Rochelle would boom up. Remember she'd come up and be like,
[00:42:38] um, your sound is muffled again. And I'd be like, okay, I got to go pump.
[00:42:41] No. I remember just seeing you throughout the season,
[00:42:49] almost, I don't know, the life was draining.
[00:42:52] Draining. I know. Literally.
[00:42:54] I couldn't believe you did that. Even then when I was almost a decade away from having
[00:43:00] children myself and not thinking about kids at all, I thought this is nuts.
[00:43:08] We don't have the perspective of what it does to you physically and then what that physically
[00:43:13] does to you mentally. And it's a process. But I will say some advice that I got from this
[00:43:25] naturopathic doctor that I knew at the time, which was so good because I was pregnant with Sam.
[00:43:31] We were going back to do the next season and I said to him, and we wanted this,
[00:43:38] we planned this pregnancy, but I was like, how are we going to fit this baby into this
[00:43:43] crazy life? And he was like, you're not, you're going to have your baby and build your life
[00:43:49] around your family. And I was like, that's such a good perspective shift because if you think of
[00:43:55] wedging a baby into the craziness, you actually can't do that. But if your perspective is like,
[00:44:00] this is our bubble, let's build out from here, then you start saying no to that or no to
[00:44:06] this or yes to this or how are we going to figure that out? And it's just a really
[00:44:10] protected space, I feel like, to be in. And I loved that. It helped me so much at that time.
[00:44:18] It was still chaos when we went back. But I had my husband there, Sam was a newborn. Wherever we put
[00:44:23] him, he stayed. So it was a little bit easier. He wasn't crawling. My mom was there to help.
[00:44:29] So even though it was nuts, the thing that I did though, it was the craziest season we had.
[00:44:34] It was the craziest shooting schedule. All these new elements on the show in terms of crew.
[00:44:40] I had no idea what was going on and I didn't have a baby.
[00:44:43] I had no idea what was going on. I was forgetting lines, which was unlike me. There was one scene
[00:44:49] I remember where they had to feed me my lines so I could say them because I was sweating. I had
[00:44:54] nipple infections. I mean, leather, it's so hot. It was so much. Anyway, but I forget
[00:45:03] what I lost my train of thought now what I was going to say about that. But we got through
[00:45:10] and I definitely wouldn't recommend going back to work. But I had a show where I was supported
[00:45:20] in every way that you can imagine. Everyone supported me and helped me through that in
[00:45:24] the best way they could, even though you're working 18 hour days at the end of the day.
[00:45:29] But it does change everything. The biggest challenge for me with motherhood and performing
[00:45:35] is that I really had to develop a new relationship with the business too.
[00:45:40] Not with performing because I love performing as you guys do, but the business started to feel
[00:45:46] really ugly to me and it started to make me feel like I have to become this ugly thing
[00:45:53] to get the next job. Not that I was ever like this vicious actress in the way, but there's
[00:45:58] a predator thing that has to come out at us a little bit to get a job.
[00:46:06] And I never recognized it until I had kids and it started to feel really ugly to me.
[00:46:12] And so I got some great advice again from a teacher that is still a very dear friend of
[00:46:19] mine who said, you need to start thinking about developing a new relationship with the
[00:46:24] business. And I'm like, oh yeah. It's just the same thing. It's just a shift of perspective
[00:46:31] and it helped me a lot. Anyway, I'll just share that because I think it's important
[00:46:38] and it is a journey. And I think we worry about, I definitely worried about after Lost
[00:46:44] Girl ended, we settled back into our home, we had another baby. I did have a pregnancy
[00:46:49] loss as well in between the pregnancies. And actually I was at, I'll share this story.
[00:46:56] I've never shared this story, but I was at the doctor for my checkup with my husband
[00:47:02] and Sam who was like two and all of our bags were packed and we were supposed to go for
[00:47:06] our checkup and go to Toronto to fly to go do a fan event that, but at that doctor's
[00:47:13] appointment, we found out that the baby, the heart was no longer beating. And so I had,
[00:47:17] it was a pregnancy loss that was undetected. So anyway, so of course it's devastating. It's
[00:47:24] all of those things that people go through, but I had to cancel a fan event that I just,
[00:47:30] I had to say I had a family emergency, but that actually was what had happened.
[00:47:33] So I had to stay home and go through that loss and it's a huge, like it's the hormones
[00:47:40] just, and it's just, you don't think about how much of a loss that is. You think like
[00:47:46] miscarriages are normal and they are, you know, they are, but they're, they're,
[00:47:51] they're hard to get through. But anyway, but then, you know, we were fortunate enough to have Levi
[00:47:57] my soon to be sumo wrestler and I, but I worried business-wise about like
[00:48:05] chasing youth, you know, you're like, Oh, but I can still squeeze out a couple of years of
[00:48:11] like being on this side of youth, you know, and that's youth treatment. So she's fine.
[00:48:18] Yeah. But you went through the treatment. It's so funny watching that episode where like you see
[00:48:24] Bo, like, you know, suddenly I have gray hair and they made me look older and they put those
[00:48:28] bites, like those big weird things on my neck. And I was like, Oh, that's what I look like
[00:48:31] now. That's what motherhood has done to me. I'm like drained and like having big giant
[00:48:37] holes in my neck. Not really, but it's just, it was really funny to see that. But yeah,
[00:48:44] chasing youth. That's another big part of things. And I got, I just kind of got over that too,
[00:48:49] because I thought, what am I going to do? Like, what am I going to do? Like this,
[00:48:55] this is it. Like, this is where I'm at. These are the stories I have to tell now.
[00:48:58] And if someone doesn't want them then onward, you know, that's another message that we get,
[00:49:04] particularly as women in this business. Oh, what a business. What a ride.
[00:49:10] Wow, cool. Great uplifting chat guys.
[00:49:13] I know. I feel like this is like the most serious we've ever gotten on this podcast.
[00:49:17] I mean, usually we're talking about behind the scenes stories and things like that. And
[00:49:21] you know, I realize for everyone listening, we haven't dug into episode 15 and 16 in the way
[00:49:27] that we normally do story wise, but you know, having you on cat, it has been so special
[00:49:33] for us. And we wanted to talk to you and get your experience and your perspective, because this is,
[00:49:40] this podcast is a love letter to the fans and we share so many of those fans. So thank you
[00:49:48] for being here with us. And also congratulations on your Canadian Screen Award nomination.
[00:49:56] Thank you. And yours, Rachel.
[00:49:59] Well, mine was for the film itself. I can't take credit for that.
[00:50:03] Well, you can take some credit for that. Yeah. I'm sharing the screen with two nominees right now.
[00:50:11] You guys want to know something funny? Speaking of motherhood and CSAs,
[00:50:14] my baby is due two days before the ceremony.
[00:50:19] Oh wow.
[00:50:20] Well, I'm going but yeah.
[00:50:24] You know, I was at an event, I think six days before Levi was born
[00:50:28] and I wore these high heels. What was I thinking? I mean, I was like, there's
[00:50:32] photos of it somewhere where I'm like, like literally ready to pop and I was like walking
[00:50:36] down this red carpet, like these big heels. But it was hard. It was hard. But congrats on
[00:50:45] those nominations to both of you. Thank you. And also on everything,
[00:50:50] you're like, everything, the new movie, baby, we're sending you the best vibes for this baby.
[00:51:01] And I hope to see you at a con really soon. I hope so too. I hope so too. I want to see both
[00:51:07] of you guys in person again very soon because we're all going to now. I don't even know the
[00:51:13] timing of it. Will you be in Niagara Falls for the Europe Convention? So this is the plan,
[00:51:18] but hence the one week later baby is a bit of a wild card situation. I was like,
[00:51:24] I can't get any health insurance. So if anything happens, I have to like crawl across the border.
[00:51:37] They have to set your table up on the Canadian side and then everyone can line up on the US
[00:51:41] side. Yeah. For a second, I was like, could I stay in Canada? Could we like shuttle people
[00:51:46] over? Literally for Holly, like I've tabled every... But my plan is to be there. Yes,
[00:51:56] that is my plan barring surprises. Right. Well, it'll only be a good reason if you are not there.
[00:52:04] Exactly. So yeah. We'll see. Hopefully I'll get to see. Anna, are you going to that one as well?
[00:52:11] No. No. Wait, am I? Do you have one that you're going to?
[00:52:16] I feel like I have to respond to Holly about that one maybe.
[00:52:21] That reminds me. Let me get on the phone. So maybe I will be there. I don't know.
[00:52:26] I hope so. It would be so lovely to see both of you in person.
[00:52:29] It would be really nice. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Kat.
[00:52:36] Thank you for sharing your time with us and sharing your time with the fans.
[00:52:40] Thank you to everybody listening. This was a very special episode for us and for you guys,
[00:52:46] and we will see you on the next one. Okay. So for those of you who can see us right now,
[00:52:54] you can obviously tell we're in different clothing because we are recording part two
[00:53:00] of this episode, episode 16 today. And we recorded speaking with Kat the other day,
[00:53:08] which was so, so lovely. So lovely. Yes. And quite frankly, we had so much to talk about.
[00:53:14] I'm pretty sure it might be one of our longest episodes.
[00:53:18] We've done like two episodes with her. I just feel like...
[00:53:22] I know. We could have kept talking. I could have talked to her forever.
[00:53:28] But we're going to try to keep this part short. However, we did really want to talk
[00:53:34] a little bit about episode 16 because of course that is part of this week's episode.
[00:53:40] So Anna, did you have any thoughts on episode 16?
[00:53:43] So episode 16 was titled Schools Out and it was written... This is kind of a cool little
[00:53:48] bit here. It was written by Harris Goldberg and Jay Firestone. And Jay Firestone is our
[00:53:52] executive producer, as many of you know. Was this the first episode that Jay wrote?
[00:53:57] I think the first and only one he wrote. Yeah.
[00:54:00] Yeah.
[00:54:01] Really? Jay, he had a lot of input.
[00:54:06] He did.
[00:54:07] And for those of you who don't know, oftentimes your showrunner,
[00:54:11] so the head of your writer's room will have a lot of input and direction on the story.
[00:54:16] Of course they get notes from studios and things like that. But Jay, typically your
[00:54:22] executive producer isn't as involved as Jay was, but Jay was very passionate about the show.
[00:54:29] And yeah, it's not normal to have an executive producer write an episode.
[00:54:36] It's not. But what was so cool about Jay is that he was very passionate about the show,
[00:54:41] but he also had so many ideas. It's so many ideas, many of which came out in this episode.
[00:54:51] All of which came out in this episode. So of course I think this is the one where
[00:54:55] Bo and Kenzie go undercover at a school. So Bo has to be the sexy teacher and Kenzie has to be
[00:55:01] like a, you know, kind of goth teenage girl. Story-wise in terms of the whole season,
[00:55:10] Lauren is now back from her road trip with Nadia. So Nadia is now kind of back in the
[00:55:16] picture. I loved seeing the scene where Bo and Kenzie enter the school and then Dyson,
[00:55:23] of course, is the guidance counselor, which is hilarious. And there were some great guest stars
[00:55:28] that come talk to him and girls crying in his office and him trying to figure it all out.
[00:55:33] Chris was hilarious as you can imagine. I remember I was so nervous to film in front
[00:55:39] of a class. I had to go in front of a class and be the teacher. So it was background
[00:55:46] actors as well as some of the guest stars in that class. And I had to be like, my name's
[00:55:51] or whatever my name was, Mrs. Whatever. I don't even remember if I said what my name was,
[00:55:55] but I remember writing it on the board. I remember I was so nervous because it just felt like-
[00:56:01] It's so nerve wracking filming in. You know, it's weird because we go audition for people.
[00:56:07] I've been in theaters where there have been probably 50 executives at a studio sitting there
[00:56:14] watching me and I'm not nervous about that because-
[00:56:17] Oh my God. What is your secret?
[00:56:21] I like it. I find it really fun, but part of it is because they're not actors. So they are
[00:56:28] watching you perform- You're the expert in the room in terms of what you do.
[00:56:33] Exactly. Than doing a play or yeah, but when you're sitting in front of like- I remember
[00:56:39] doing this episode of Rain Once and it was like all these men at a table and I'm standing
[00:56:44] at the end and I wanted to vomit. I was so nervous because they're other actors and they're
[00:56:52] not saying anything, they're just staring at you doing what we all do. And so rather than
[00:56:58] it being this collaborative thing, it feels like this judgy thing even though they're not
[00:57:02] judging you. I know. Well, I think that's why I was so nervous in front of this class
[00:57:06] because first of all, they were all young, like high school. So I felt like actually it
[00:57:10] was like art imitating life. I felt like I was back in high school and everyone was going,
[00:57:16] should she really have gotten this job? I don't know. Should she be the lead of this show?
[00:57:20] Yes. I can't tell. That's probably not what anyone's thinking. Everyone was certainly
[00:57:24] lovely in the room, but God was I nervous. I was sweaty.
[00:57:31] So when you watch the episode- Yeah, watch for the sweat. Just look under my arms extra
[00:57:36] close. I'm sure you'll see some sweat marks. I love Bo and Ryan in this episode. They have
[00:57:42] their breakup and it's such a respectful, beautiful breakup and Bo finally has her high school
[00:57:47] dance that she never had. And so Ryan sets up the gym and they have this, and we got to the
[00:57:53] song Just One Look, which is like, how did they get that song? I know. And we're dancing
[00:57:57] to that song. Although I will tell you on the day, I don't think we knew what we were
[00:58:00] dancing to. So we were just like, I can't remember to be honest. I just remember feeling
[00:58:06] kind of silly because there was no music playing. But it was such a nice breakup because it's done
[00:58:12] with so much love and affection for each other. And then they go their separate ways,
[00:58:15] although he does come back. And then in terms of story with Nadia, towards the end
[00:58:21] of that episode, she's taking pictures of Lauren and Lauren's being all sexy. And then
[00:58:25] you realize that Nadia has zoomed in on Lauren's necklace. So you realize that Nadia
[00:58:30] has gotten some nefarious dealings coming our way. So we wanted to touch on that episode.
[00:58:37] It was a lot of fun to film. I bet if you asked Ksenia or Chris, they would have fun
[00:58:43] memories of that one too, because we were at a real school. I don't remember where it was
[00:58:47] somewhere in Toronto and just had a lot of fun. So that's it.
[00:58:54] Were you filming in the summer? If you were in a real school?
[00:58:58] I was wondering this because we filmed in a school and we had to do it at night.
[00:59:03] No, this was in the summer. Yeah. No high school kids. Just background pretend ones.
[00:59:14] Judging me. I have to go journal about this now.
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